Welcome to CLF, thanks for posting!!!
If you go through the topics that are active by double clicking on the "Latest Posts" under "Tools" to the left of this page, you often will find an active thread dealing with it, like:
https://www.chicagolandfishing.com/forum ... 279#116279
Double click on this link, lot's of info...
Or use the Search on the Command Bar above each page, type in "independence AND grove" and get a lot of threads...