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Old 05-15-2014, 02:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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One thing I don't think the IHSA got right was the ability to cull:

-Teams can catch a maximum of five fish per day, which they store in their boat’s live well. After catching five fish, a team can continue to fish and try to replace fish already in their live wells with larger catches.

Increased released fish mortality is the reason why every other fisher-person in Illinois has to abide by our laws and culling is illegal in Illinois. Why do the IHSA folks get an exemption? Isn't that sending the wrong message? Plus, I think it takes far more strategy by not allowing culling. You need to be pretty sure you're going to be able to catch another keeper after deciding to toss back that 5th fish...
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Old 05-15-2014, 03:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No, thank god for that. I don't know where they got the idea to have even one tournament there.
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With as much as the IHSA was saying how seriously they take safety, you would think that they'd scrap Lake Carlyle. Thursday was extremely dangerous. Luckily we had a boat that could easily handle those condition, but me and my partners lost our balance quite a few times and almost fell into the water. Last year they had to cancel the second day because it was too dangerous. The part that gets me is that the IHSA knows it's a dangerous lake, that's why we had that long presentation about safety at the banquet, yet they continue to ignore that fact and keep holding the tournament there.
I thought I read that Carlyle was going to be the location for 5 years. Any big, wide body of water can turn ugly with wind. Places like Shelbyville or Mill Creek which have lots of coves and creeks are much better to fish in the wind since you can find more places to get out of the wind. I wonder who they consult when they make their decisions.
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No, thank god for that. I don't know where they got the idea to have even one tournament there.
Convenience I'm sure along with Geography! The IHSA again is geographically driven through the Sectional level. And it will always be that way.

Reading more about Carlyle and talking to a couple of our local (Minooka) IHSA competitors, it sounds like Carlyle is here to stay for awhile due to their resources, volunteers and sponsors. I don't think it's fair. But, it doesn't appear that any of the southern schools have been placing higher due to home-field advantage yet.

I've also been involved with running enough IHSA wrestling tournaments to know that organizing and running such an event is a HUGE undertaking. I cannot imagine the work involved with setting up and running a State Fishing Tourney. Less control and more contingency plans I'm sure. If one has never taken on such a large task, one doesn't have a clue what all is involved. Not a single clue. There's a heck of a lot more to it than just finding a decent location. You HAVE to have the resources and you HAVE to have plenty of volunteers. Without plenty of volunteers you're dead in the water with any tourneys in the IHSA in any sport! You better be a good salesperson and have the ability to recruit volunteers if you're running the show. A good location not only needs to have the resources to compete. But, you also have to make sure the infrastructure can support such a large undertaking. Plenty of hotels nearby? Restaurants? Porta-potties on site (lol), etc. The bottom line is that the only way the IHSA will consider changing the location is if somebody(s) present a good argument for another location and offer a plan to implement. IHSA.org would be the place to start for anybody that's interested in offering up some ideas for a better location...

P.S. Just thought of this. A BIG part of hosting any sport or activity with the IHSA like I said is having volunteers. And a big part in convincing potential volunteers is the promise of a return on your investment. Typically, a host school gets a portion of the entry fees, but concessions are where the REAL money is. Who the heck are you going to sell concessions to to make money at an IHSA fishing tourney???
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Convenience I'm sure along with Geography! The IHSA again is geographically driven through the Sectional level. And it will always be that way.

Reading more about Carlyle and talking to a couple of our local (Minooka) IHSA competitors, it sounds like Carlyle is here to stay for awhile due to their resources, volunteers and sponsors. I don't think it's fair. But, it doesn't appear that any of the southern schools have been placing higher due to home-field advantage yet.

I've also been involved with running enough IHSA wrestling tournaments to know that organizing and running such an event is a HUGE undertaking. I cannot imagine the work involved with setting up and running a State Fishing Tourney. Less control and more contingency plans I'm sure. If one has never taken on such a large task, one doesn't have a clue what all is involved. Not a single clue. There's a heck of a lot more to it than just finding a decent location. You HAVE to have the resources and you HAVE to have plenty of volunteers. Without plenty of volunteers you're dead in the water with any tourneys in the IHSA in any sport! You better be a good salesperson and have the ability to recruit volunteers if you're running the show. A good location not only needs to have the resources to compete. But, you also have to make sure the infrastructure can support such a large undertaking. Plenty of hotels nearby? Restaurants? Porta-potties on site (lol), etc. The bottom line is that the only way the IHSA will consider changing the location is if somebody(s) present a good argument for another location and offer a plan to implement. IHSA.org would be the place to start for anybody that's interested in offering up some ideas for a better location...

P.S. Just thought of this. A BIG part of hosting any sport or activity with the IHSA like I said is having volunteers. And a big part in convincing potential volunteers is the promise of a return on your investment. Typically, a host school gets a portion of the entry fees, but concessions are where the REAL money is. Who the heck are you going to sell concessions to to make money at an IHSA fishing tourney???
Last year, it looks like there were 65 boats which is a large tournament but not enormous. I would think that the IHSA would hire/consult some bass tournament hosts from the BASS Federation to assist with the tournament. Obviously, starting from scratch and not having any experience hosting this kind of tournament would be a huge undertaking but for groups that run these types of tournaments on a regular basis, a 65 boat tournament is not some daunting task.
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Pswitzer, I'm sure the IHSA has consulted the BASS federation and/or others for input (I highly doubt they paid for it though - lol!) I would think it would be in the best interest for both parties. I'm also pretty sure that they didn't start this deal blindly. It's highly probable that many of the volunteer boat captains are already tourney fishermen and have an in there already. Again, it ALL comes back to the resources and the availability of volunteers. You need able, unpaid bodies to run any tournament. Shelbyville is probably not populated enough and where do you even start for volunteers? Mattoon is really the closest hotels. Not too far away, but that little dive hotel in Shelbyville is disgusting. Unless you're a bed bug!

Also, Bass Fishing is listed as an activity on the IHSA website, not a sport. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I do know that was made clear to me by one of the coaches when Bass Fishing started at the high schools. So, there must be some impact. There may be some type of second tier, non-fully sanctioned type of support/recognition by the IHSA for clubs/activities vs. sports. I don't know...
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Pswitzer, I'm sure the IHSA has consulted the BASS federation and/or others for input (I highly doubt they paid for it though - lol!) I would think it would be in the best interest for both parties. I'm also pretty sure that they didn't start this deal blindly. It's highly probable that many of the volunteer boat captains are already tourney fishermen and have an in there already. Again, it ALL comes back to the resources and the availability of volunteers. You need able, unpaid bodies to run any tournament. Shelbyville is probably not populated enough and where do you even start for volunteers? Mattoon is really the closest hotels. Not too far away, but that little dive hotel in Shelbyville is disgusting. Unless you're a bed bug!

Also, Bass Fishing is listed as an activity on the IHSA website, not a sport. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I do know that was made clear to me by one of the coaches when Bass Fishing started at the high schools. So, there must be some impact. There may be some type of second tier, non-fully sanctioned type of support/recognition by the IHSA for clubs/activities vs. sports. I don't know...
Getting volunteers is not difficult. It can be a simple as making it a requirement for the schools to have one adult volunteer to assist with the launch and the weigh-in- much like track teams have to provide a coach to time or to work field events. Plus, I know with my school district, (we were not allowed to have a team) there is no shortage of teachers wanting to volunteer and help out. If you have 30+ schools, how many additional adult volunteers do you need? Plus, there would never be a shortage of HSers not in the tournament that can do odd jobs. At my school, as I am sure with your's, we use kids all the time to help run events. This is no different.

Overall, my point is that a better lake should have been picked. Off the top of my head Shelbyville, Mill Creek, Clinton, Lake of Egypt, Springfield, Crab Orchard, and Newton are all better choices. All those lakes host big tournaments and the fishing is definitely better. Maybe the pavilion isn't as nice or it's a little bit longer drive to the launch but it will provide the kids with a better weigh-in which is ultimately more important than the IHSA getting to put on a show.

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Some good points Pswitzer. Maybe it's not as hard to run a fishing tourney as I thought? Maybe they already do have a requirement for a volunteer from each school in the bi-laws??? (no more time today to search for info!) And actually, the more I think about it, you're right I think it would be much easier to find h.s. kids especially with lots of interest in fishing and the tourney. Maybe they already do send other teammates??? Added costs of sending another person(s) would be the only reason I could think of why they wouldn't possibly make that mandatory.

Found this though. Looks like Carlyle has already been on the table for replacement. They're only good through the 2015/16 school year as a host. And finding a viable northern host was also a concern. Maybe some answers in upcoming minutes??? Interesting reads...

http://www.ihsa.org/documents/adv%20...sf-minutes.pdf
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Found this though. Looks like Carlyle has already been on the table for replacement. They're only good through the 2015/16 school year as a host. And finding a viable northern host was also a concern. Maybe some answers in upcoming minutes??? Interesting reads...

http://www.ihsa.org/documents/adv%20...sf-minutes.pdf
I agree- interesting. Looks like several of the concerns we mentioned were discussed.

All this talk has rekindled my desire to get a team going in our district. We have the coaches, we have the knowledge, we have the boats, and we have the students but we cannot start any new clubs. We don't expect to get paid just to get subbed out once a year. I look at what Andrew does and am so jealous. Thankfully, my son will be going there one day.
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