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11-26-2010 12:08 AM
Gary Ive shot every deer in my life with a rifled barrel and cheap breneke KO foster type slugs.. Never had poor accuracy over time due to gummed up rifling.

Clean your weapon after you shoot. Run a wire shotgun barrel brush with solvent through your barrel. Don't allow any build up by shooting and not cleaning your weapon.

Gary
USMC
11-19-2010 08:19 AM
FishArt
Re: slugs

Quote:
Originally Posted by neontetra
ASC offers ranges up to 600yds. I only was shooting at 50 because that is the limit I put on myself. The holosight I am using has 0 maginification. In 20 years of huntng, I have never shot a deer that I couldn't have hit with my bow. (even in MI with my 7mm mag) If I were hunting big areas, I might consider using a scope. My friend in MN used his Benelli with a scope and rifled barrel. We will never let him forget the scope bite he got. I looked like the deer beat him up since his nose was bleeding from the cut between his eyes. The show "Top Sniper" that I watched on netflix shows the sighting in process quite well. Another tip is to use a large sheet of butcher paper that will show your hits better and speed up the process if you are starting out.
That's FUNNY! I've got a buddy that did the same thing. He installed his scope on his Ithaca and obviously set it up where he had to look too close and WHAM! Big 'ol black eye the first time he shot - lol!

Most of my shots have been within bow range too. A lot depends on where you set up. In the 30 years I've been deer hunting I've had about 8-10 deer I would have never been able to shoot at without my Leupold Scope. On the flipside, I blame a few missed opportunities on having a scope because it took too long to find the deer (they were very close and not staying around too long!) Rifled sites would have been much better in these situations. The difference I've found (since switching to a scope) is I now set up in spots where I increase my range and utilize the scope to it's fullest. I just have to remember to keep it on it's lowest setting (much easier/quicker to crank up if I have to reach out vs. the other way around!)

I'm guessing that a zero magnification scope simply gives you some good crosshairs and light gathering capabilities vs. rifled sites? I'm not sure the tradeoff (of not being able to get on deer quickly like rifled sites) is worth it as 50 yards is easily achievable with open, rifled sites. But, I guess it all comes down to what you're use to...
11-18-2010 08:26 PM
neontetra
slugs

ASC offers ranges up to 600yds. I only was shooting at 50 because that is the limit I put on myself. The holosight I am using has 0 maginification. In 20 years of huntng, I have never shot a deer that I couldn't have hit with my bow. (even in MI with my 7mm mag) If I were hunting big areas, I might consider using a scope. My friend in MN used his Benelli with a scope and rifled barrel. We will never let him forget the scope bite he got. I looked like the deer beat him up since his nose was bleeding from the cut between his eyes. The show "Top Sniper" that I watched on netflix shows the sighting in process quite well. Another tip is to use a large sheet of butcher paper that will show your hits better and speed up the process if you are starting out.
11-18-2010 05:30 PM
FishArt Perhaps 50 yards was as far as you could shoot at the gun range??? 50 yards is not enough distance to reap the benefits of shooting a scope. If I'm limited to a 50 yard shot, I'm throwing on the rifled barrel with rifled sites vs. even using my barrel with a scope. If I were you, I'd take Tubes advice on siting in things and practice a bit farther. You should be able to get out to 100 yards or more with practice. Again, only being able to reach out to 50 yards pretty much defeats the purpose of a scope. And in fact could be a hindrance over open sites if a deer is too close and/or is moving...
11-18-2010 08:54 AM
wALLDADY Mrmoc , OK Thanks . I got my stuff sighted in real good . I was just hopeing my thinking wasnt wacked .
11-18-2010 01:07 AM
mrmoc Tubes,
I thought this was an excellent and enightening explanation of sighting in. Provided you are already on the paper, which is where the laser boresighting puts you.

I noted your move of the sights opposite to the hole. Which I think is correct. Walldaddy...It depends on which part of your sight tandem is fixed. With a bow the rear sight (string) is generally fixed and you adjust the front sight. Therefore you move it in the direction of the hole to correct. With a firearm the front sight is fixed and the rear adjustable. So you move the rear sight in the opposite direction to correct.
11-17-2010 10:17 PM
wALLDADY Tubes , I understand completely , your post . BUT isnt that backwards ?? If your are holding on the Bullseye , and shoot high right , move scope down and left and hold bullseye and fire again . THAT has ALWAYS worked for me . Its different than sighting bow sights .

a Lead Sled type rest is awsome for saving ammo .


Good Luck and Safe trips ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Walldady
11-17-2010 10:52 AM
Tubes77
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I just shot my slug gun at the Aurora Sportsman's Club. I shot sabots and sluggers through my rifled barrel at 50 yds. I got 1" groups with sabots and 2" groups with sluggers. This was a rem 870 express, cantilever scope mount barrel, and bushnell holosight.
That doesn't sound too bad, and as long as you are limiting yourself to 50 yd shots, you'd be OK, but that may not be acceptable at 100 yds. If your groups are twice as big as they are at 50 yds, you will probably be as big or bigger at 100 yds. So if the gun groups sabots 3-4" at 100 yds, you may see 6-8" or worse groups with the non-sabots, which can mean misses you otherwise might not have had. Of course, it's all conjecture without actually shooting the gun at 100 yds, but the point is.. Why not have the most accurate gun you can possibly have when going afield, as long as it's within your financial means? If you already have a fully rifled barrel, is the cost between those slugs really worth the chance at missing, or worse yet, wounding a deer?

To save money, you can theoretically sight in a gun using a single shot, but it takes a steady rest (like the Caldwell Lead Sled or similar) and a friend to help you out. Here's how it goes.

First, remove the scope cap covers and then get your gun firmly in the rest, adjust until it's centered on the bullseye of the target and shoot one shot. Now without moving the gun or yourself from the sight picuture, have a friend turn the adjustments on the scope so that the crosshairs move until they are centered on the bullet hole that you just made.

For example, lets say your shot is high and to the right, which means that on the scope, you will have to move the dials in the direction indicating LOW and LEFT. With the crosshairs still centered on the bullseye, have him move the elevation dial until you see the crosshair move up and pass horizontally through the bullet hole you just made. Now, again keeping the veritcal cross hair on the bullseye, have him adjust the scope until you see the cross hair move to the right and line up vertically with the bullet hole. At this point, without having moved the gun at all, the scope crosshairs should be directly centered on the bullethole, not the bullseye.

Now reload and shoot again. Theortically, it should be directly in the bullseye, but the reality is that you will probably very close, but maybe off a bit. Unfortunately guns do not shoot in EXACTLY the same spot every time, so there will be some variance, depending on the overall accuracy of the gun. What I would do at this point is shoot twice more to develope a "group", then adjust from there.

I actually will shoot a 3 shot group, make a mental note of the center of that group, and then have a partner adjust the scope until it's in the center of this new group. At that point, you probably are not going to get any better than that, as all guns have a little variance (also known as group size). I would then shoot one last time at the bullseye to double check your last adjustment and you should be pretty darned close to the bull. Total shells shot, 5. Not that bad!

If you are shooting good sabots and have a rifled slug barrel, you should be in the neighborhood of about 2" at 100 yds.
11-17-2010 01:12 AM
mrmoc But those slug rounds are not going to tell you much about the sabots. You would be better off going to Cabela's or some place where they will laser boresight the gun/scope for you. Then if you have a sled or some bags you can sight in the gun with 3-5 shots. [/quote]
11-16-2010 05:20 PM
Rookie I was looking to do some early sighting..."get on paper" as Tom said and was told not to shoot those.

Since I'm rather new at everything I do with hunting, I figured I would use the cheaper bullets as I figured out how to adjust my scope etc.

Sounds like I can more than get away with a few rounds.
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