you could be quite right! i didn't think of that when i posted. i'll call the park district on monday and verify. what i was thinking is, that, if no boats were in the harbor and there were no employee's around, you could probably do it. if it's illegal, i guess that wouldn't make it right. i'll think a little harder next time and like i said i'll find out from the park district, what the rules are. hey anonymous! get a username would you. you feel like some disembodied ghost in the machine, checking over the board. later. dave